True. It is personal belief, (although I personally do not believe in anything such as Gaea) according to myself, and WolfVanZandt is right. You cannot prove much over the internet.
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rexwolf wrote:
They comment on every topic; often countering the running opinion even if they agree with it, simply to raise hairs, to get attention.
I disagree. I think Isafos is acting from the desire to correct what he sees as people 'driving' under the influence of gullibility. He does use insulting language, because it mirrors how intensely he feels about this, and it's just the way he does things. He's not a troll. It's just unfortunate he chooses to be so abrasive. I did not appreciate his attack on Wolf, or his first post to this site. Anyone who has to get personal to drive home a point might want to look at what issues drive them to do so, because ultimately they're not acting out of logic, they're acting out of a personal wound.
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I agree with Montana - not a troll - and he seems to be on a learning curve.
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I agree too, and everyone deserves to get thier word in wether people disagree with it or not.
(Although he could phrase things a bit better)
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A word in is good, not an insulting one. He's been warned.
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There are real werewolves?
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aye. They're just not much like the ones you see in the movies. I suspect they're a lot like the ones that were originally called werewolves, though.
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Certainly, but you should understand that I'm not advocating Gaea worship. I don't believe that she's anything like a goddess nor do I believe that she's ever desired worship. She's simply another creature. Also, there are a lot of things that appear in WWtA, the moon for instance. Do you discount their existences simply because they appeared in WWtA?
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ZombifiedPyro wrote:
Well, first of all, I have no idea where I should post this. (If any mods know, then please move it to the right place)
A few months ago, I was randomly attacked by a wolf when I was walking in the forest with my girlfriend. It bit my arm and wouldn't let go, I feared for my life, so I stabbed it between its ribs with my knife that I always carried. I pushed it in all the way up to the handle, and what really scared me was that no blood came out, and it looked like all I did was make it mad. A moment later, two more wolves attacked the wolf (or whatever it was) that was on me. I ran to my house, called the police and I went to the hospital. The cops couldn't find the wolf that attacked me, so I had to endure 34 painful rabies shots. Thing is, those wolves always protected me, and my mother told me that my father was respected by those wolves, and they respected him. I can't confirm this, because my dad disappeared when I was a year old. All I had left of him was his knife and it's sticking out of the side of the wolf that attacked me. Things have been getting weirder ever since because my girlfriend claimed to be a vampire. I always thought she was different, because people usually smell like chemicals and dried mud. Her scent is hard to describe, but my mother smells a lot like her.
So, am I a werewolf, and just weird?
gizmofreak7 wrote:
Your not exactly weird.
In fact,your not weird at al.
I myself am trying to find out if im a werewolf too.
My parents arent were or otherkin,they might even been carrying the gene only?
I even have a lot of the signs.
but,about you now
If she smells like your mother,it could be that you feel safe with her and can get along with her the same you are wth your mother. maybe its because of that?
alphanubilus wrote:
The BIG problem here, and honestly if you read actual lore, you're not going to find anything that specifically states that lycanthropy can be transmitted via a bite. The bite method is largely fictional, based on Hollywood frabication than actual mythology.
As for your father respecting wolves and wolves him. It is actually quite common for wolves to respect the territorial rights of humans. Wolves don't want to be bothered by us, and we them. So in all reality they will do all that they can to avoid us, unless you have a wolf that is sick, afraid, and or very hungry.
In all reality, I think you are feeling a bit of pshycosis paranoia. The shock of getting bitten via a random attack + imagination = werewolf-like feelings, well werewolf like feelings if the werewolf by modern definition existed. In short your mind is putting more information into it, than there needs be.
WolfMontana wrote:
If you're not roleplaying, and it kinda sounds like you are, then I have to ask - where the heck were you that you went for a walk and got attacked by wolves?
There have been so many of these "Am I, Does this mean I'm one, etc" posts lately. Seems everyone wants some kind of DNA test, or a questionnaire you can fill out with 5 out of 6 checked meaning your a werewolf. It usually ends with Wolf saying 'this is normal, this isn't, but really who knows' so perhaps I can cut to the chase.
No-one can tell you outright that you're a therian, or a werewolf, or however you want to call whatever it is. You have within yourself everything you need to know about yourself. You are the best authority on you. You want other people to tell you what you are, it means you're giving your power away to them. I've done it myself. Sometimes it's confusing when you go through stuff you don't understand, you react in ways that you don't understand, and you look outside yourself for answers. You might adopt labels that other people give you, take shelter in them for a while, wear them for a while, but then eventually, you realize - and this is the most important thing - that you are a unique being on this planet. You are not exactly like anyone else. Spend some time with yourself, get to really KNOW yourself, and celebrate it.
WolfVanZandt wrote:
Aw.....I wanted to do that.....
Heh, no, if you're in America and you really got bit by a wolf - you need a rabies shot. It is extremely rare for people in North America to be attacked by healthy wolves. At the very least, a tetnus shot is in order. Although lycanthropy is not contagious - rabies and tetnus most certainly are and neither is a particularly pleasant way to go.
DelawareWolf17 wrote:
I think you are Role-playing.
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Ferian wrote:
Well i'm 13 years old, gonna be 14 in about a month and a week.
I noticed very ... er .. wolvish behavior since the end of may, I mean my whole life has been strange when I think about, running on all 4 up stairs, making whimpering noises if I got hurt, a love for ribs, steak, hamburgers, etc.
But I used to think that was all normal.. until I found an article on google about Therians.
One, I usually go to sleep at 5:00am and wake up for 7:00am for school.. You would think I would be tired.. but i'm not o_o
Two, during the new moon I am very calm.. quiet... very different, but when that phase is over i'm hyper, talkative, and the same as I always am.
Three, my metabolism is not... well.. normal, I mean I have never.. and i'm being honest, never have worked out with weights and stuff like that but i'm 96 pounds... and i'm going to high school next year... and i'm not scrawny like you would think.. very stange.
Four the scariest one of all, ABNORMAL healing, I broke my arm this year and it healed.... and I swear to you.. It healed in about 1 week and a few days. My mom was freaking out she was like "KEEP IT IN A CAST OH MY GOD!" but I was telling her it was fine and I could move it, and the other time when I was like 5 I got bit by a wolf at the Bronx zoo and it was a bad bite down to my nerve... In about... I dunno a half an hour it was a scab and stopped bleeding, next day it was gone but there is still a scar there because I picked off the scab, What bad habit T_T.
I don't know what I am but i'd appreciate it if someone shed some light on to this, Thanks ^^
teenlycan wrote:
Your healing is interesting, tell me about your dreams though, do they involve wolves/werewolves? Btw nice to meet you and welcome to the cafe!
Ferian wrote:
Thanks ^^
Well I had a dream running side by side with a Red wolf... I think in terms there called Rufis Lupin Or something like that but anyway I had another dream once that I was the wolf and I was running through a forest, gulping water from a lake,
chasing down deer and .. eating them..., and more recently finding a mate, she was greyish white with big black eyes, but in the dream she got shot by a black figure and then I woke up crying.
Strange, huh?
Wolfy wrote:
As a side note, be careful about taking casts off early. I broke my foot a few years back, and while the pain went away very quickly, it didn't actually fully heal for two months. Mind you I never had a cast or anything, so I had normal mobility even though it was in fact not fully healed. You can seriously screw up your bones by doing that though
Ferian wrote:
Oh.. well that ain't good for the bones now is it o.o
Anyway the moon finally resurfaces in my areabut it's cloudy and I can't see it T_T
Oh and...
Reason number 5 I think i'm a Therian: I recently howled out of curiousity and someone howled back at me, as a joke I dunno but still... and the next day after I went to the beach there were paw prints all over where I was sitting with my friends.. Could have been a dog.. But still o_o
punxnotdead wrote:
From a lot of teenagers I've met that are into werewolves, they believe they're werewolves, therians or both. Phsycologically, because it's found mainly in teenagers, I think it has more to do with personality issues.
It's not so much because you think you're a therian, but because, being a teenager (as many teenagers are), you're trying to find who you are and who you'll be later on.
About the healing, it could be metabolism, because I had a big gash where someone threw a hard wood chair at my leg. It was down to the bone, but I refused to get stitched, and it healed in a matter of days. It could just be coincidental.
Though, this is just an opinion. (So nobody bite my head off!)
Ferian wrote:
I would never bite your head off.... Maybe rip out your throat maybe.... Lol kidding.
But this has been happening my entire life until my first shift which was may 19th I remember the date cuz I lost control of my body and blacked out.
Ferian wrote:
I would never bite your head off.... Maybe rip out your throat maybe.... Lol kidding.
But this has been happening my entire life until my first shift which was may 19th I remember the date cuz I lost control of my body and blacked out.
Niktoma wrote:
It seems to me that losing control of your body and blacking out could be a symptom of something far more serious than being a Therian. I would advise you to get checked out, and make sure you're healthy before you start making assumptions.
Ferian wrote:
Well I went to the doctor like you said, and after a... long.. long.. examiniation.. I appear to be the most healthiest 13 year old he has seen since the 1980's ^^
Dunno probably cause of my Metabolism..
O_o
LVX wrote:
I personally think that just because you have, what seems obvious to me and others, a fascination with wolves and werewolves alike, doesnt necessarily mean you are one. A lot of people associate themselves within the wolf community, in a healthy manner, because they feel more connected to either the animal within, or the animals themselves, but that does NOT justify their actions in anyway, IF they were to be a threat to other people because they assume that there must be something more to this story then what meets the eye.
We here dont necessarily go by assumption or over react because we have certain wolf like features and natures, but that doesnt mean we dont have control over ourselves also. Be very careful with how you address yourself.
My suggestion to you is look deep within yourself to see if this is merely a fascination, or an actual manifestation of the spirit. Dont romanticsize something you dont really understand, because there can be consequences to your actions that reflect what type of person you will be for the rest of your life (and may regret someday). Also be careful not to bullshit certain people, or be to open about the fact that you MAY be a therian, outside of a community like this, because that can also be a big reason why some people wont take you seriously, or some, may take it TOO seriously.
My best wishes to you on your journey and I hope what you find is something that may impact your life and open your eyes to the Truth in what this 'Therian' thing may be all about.
Danton the Werewolf wrote:
Fuzzball1, thanks for bumping this topic
As to the original post, I myself have a high metabolism. I can eat almost anything in whatever quantity, and I finally passed 100 lbs about halfway through my freshman year. As to the rest of it, I agree with everyone who has posted thus far (Except Fuzzball1), in that you need to figure out where you stand.
lobocursor wrote:
Actually at you age you feel a lot things and still have a lot to discover. LVX and Punxnotdead already said a lot of about the topic of just like werewolves or to be one for real.
I just could add only that you need check what is a werewolf for real, beyond Hollywood crappy movies, middle age myths and PRG games. There are lolt of cultures beyond American and European ones, that have other symbolism about what is a werewolf. Some of them are 100% different of you hulky werewolf in ripped blue pants.
This is a way more near to self exploration of you soul than a halloween party. Also, as I say, do you imagine yourself as werewolf in 2,5,10 years in the future? Some people can't do it. And this is not bad either, I've meet people that changed from self proclaimed Therians to furries and then to normal people. While you find answers and you use them for a be a better people in this world, your journey will be not a waste of time.
Good luck
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jpg wrote:
I still believe I am a werewolf (at least mentally) in fact probably mentally But what do I look for? I had dreams about becoming a wolf wen I was younger (like 10) but I do not remember any of my deems anymore. I really don't know what to think any more. So A simple list of things to look for would be of much help.Thank you and please don't think I am insane.
ShadyHowl wrote:
Read all the pinned posts at the top of this board and then get back to us. They may offer you some preliminary guidance.
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MarylandLupine wrote:
I have been wondering if I was a were for a while. Maybe one of you could help me.
General Information
I am a young Caucasian female, 5 feet 8 inches and counting, with eyes that seemingly change from brown to green and back again (I don't know if this is related). I seem to have very sharp canines and strong nails which can grow up to about two or more centimeters without breaking. I have a lot of body hair (an unusual amount for a girl, including a light coating on the face, chest, neck, and back). I can howl exactly like a wolf (again, I'm not sure if this is related) and I instinctively growl when angry. I also enjoy playing outside much more than being inside, especially when I'm sitting still. I am claustrophobic, notably involving walls and ceilings. I am very defensive of my family - if someone pointed a gun at us and told us to choose one person to be shot, I would choose myself so the rest could live on.
Tastes in Food
I love red meat. Even that was an understatement. I can sum up my tastes in a real life story.
My family went to a steakhouse a few days ago. In this steakhouse, they cook the meat behind a plastic barrier right near the waiting area. As soon as I passed the stove, oh my Lord, it smelled heavenly. I was restraining myself with difficulty until we were seated. I ordered the prime ribs, rare. I think they made a mistake, because the outside was still pink. They offered to take it back, but it smelled so good, I just wanted to eat it already. I took a bite... It was so good, I ate it all before anyone else ate half of their food. After I finished, I had this eerie sense of deep satisfaction, which persisted for several hours after we left. I still salivate when I look back.
Senses
I have always had good senses of smell and hearing. I always find myself asking people if they smell that or hear something, netting me a lot of strange looks. I seem to be developing some extra senses, as well. For example, I can tell where a living being is without looking. It started as a sensation my brain analyzed as "There is something alive within three meters of you, where you can't see it". Now, it would be "There is a human about two meters to your right and slightly behind you, getting a little bit closer". I imagine this would be very useful if I were a wolf on the hunt - if the animal were out of range, I could smell it, and if it were in range, I could sense it. I also get a feeling from certain places telling me that something bad is going to happen. Sometimes, it does.
Family History
I have theories about my father, but I'm pretty sure they're false. My father is very tall, 6 feet 4 inches, weighing about 250 pounds, although most of that is muscle. By a rough guess, I think he needs 2000-2500 calories a day. He has a lot of hair - every part of his body I've seen except his palms and the soles of his feet. He shares my love of meat and has canines like mine, except longer. When we got our dog, he automatically chose him as the alpha within the first five minutes of being at home.
Previous Experiences
I have had some odd experiences. I have experienced several dream shifts (they are among the only dreams I remember), and can produce mental and phantom shifts to a degree. The experience that takes the cake, though, was when I was very young, about 6 years old.
I was walking downstairs when I heard someone telling me to watch out. I blacked out. The next thing I remember was me in the basement, naked and on all fours. From then on, for four years, my brother was scared of anything that walked on four legs.
Thank you for reading. Please try to answer my question as accurately as possible. Thanks for helping!
FenrirVik wrote:
Well, there is a lot of information on the table here. Do you feel the desire to be a wolf? Can you tell us more about the dreams. I'm not sure if there's any REAL way over the internet to be sure but I'm sure with a little soul-searching you can find out for yourself.
MarylandLupine wrote:
FenrirVik wrote:
Well, there is a lot of information on the table here. Do you feel the desire to be a wolf? Can you tell us more about the dreams. I'm not sure if there's any REAL way over the internet to be sure but I'm sure with a little soul-searching you can find out for yourself.
In most of the dreams, I am a black wolf running through the forest at night. There is always something furry ahead of me; sometimes it's a small animal, sometimes it's a deer or elk. The dreams usually end with me catching the animal. The odd thing about these dreams is that I not only see and hear the dream as people usually do, but I can also smell, feel my own body and the ground, and use my "extra senses" shown in the original post. I remember all aspects of the dream very distinctly after I wake up.
And yes, I do want to be a wolf, but not in the wanna-be kind of way - that is, I want to be one not for the sake of being one, but to escape from the rat race for a while, and maybe meet someone else like me in person.
milana wrote:
The only accurate way to answer "Am I a werewolf?" is "I don't know, are you?"
I can say that the red meat thing doesn't make a werewolf. I'm a werewolf and I despise red meat. I only eat it when my body demands the protein. In the end there is no check list. No one thing can define whether you are or aren't.I have experienced several dream shifts (they are among the only dreams I remember), and can produce mental and phantom shifts to a degree.
Personally, I don't trust dream shifts. But then, I dream that I shift into weird crap like ants or a sofa. As for the mental and phantom shifts, the fact that you used the words "can produce" implies that you made them happen, instead of them occurring and taking you off guard. Shifts like that are tricky and can't always be the best pieces of information to go on, because part of them might just be imagination.
Actually, a lot of the things you describe apply to a lot of animals, not just wolves. So don't settle on the wolf just yet, that's the best advice I can give you. Also, look into information on therianthropy, which is the modern term for weres. You can find information at places like Werelist, TrueForm, and the WereLibrary.
FenrirVik wrote:
Well, like I've said, it's hard to know over the internet, but you have substantial evidence that could point at you being a therian. Of course, the being a wolf, not in a wanna-be way (and you always know which way it is) is a good indicator. Again though, through the internet there's never an easy way to tell.
Siverwolf wrote:
I don't think it's reliable that anyone can tell you that your a werewolf. Only "you" know that answer.
I guess the best thing to do is to hang out a while with us and be interactive in the discussion's and also be a good litsener.
You should know that werewolfcafe is not a Therian site.
Siverwolf.
FenrirVik wrote:
Yes, Siverwolf is right. It is a Werewolf site. I am sure therian or not, you will enjoy it here though.
WolfVanZandt wrote:
It's a Werewolf fan site.
rexwolf wrote:
Just like this one.
MarylandLupine wrote:
Thank you all for the advice. There are some things I have to comment on.
To milana: I appreciate the fact you tried to find ways I may not be one of you. It caught me off guard and made me think. One of the things I hate the most is yes-men/women. I also understand that love of meat is not a perfectly reliable indicator, but as far as I know, it is a fairly reliable one.
To Silverwolf: Thank you for the advice. I will try to participate and see what I really am.
To everyone who told me that only I know what I am: I understand that fact. I will take that comment to heart and find out myself.
Again, thanks. I appreciate the help.
rexwolf wrote:
Whoa...
Bit of advice: no one can tell you who or what you are.
milana wrote:
Another note: a lot of the reasons people think they are werewolves are good reasons, but it's not so much the reason that makes you a werewolf. It's the way you translate that reason. Do you eat red meat because you like the taste of it, or do you eat red meat because your body demands it and it is the closest you can get to hunting? Is it just something you enjoy, or is it instinct that is hardwired into you that, even if you tried, you are forced to acknowledge? That kind of stuff.
So, yeah, that kind of questions can help while trying to figure this stuff out. There's other things out there you can do, as well. Meditation is a big one.
Fang87 wrote:
Also, keep in mind we all have predatory and or animal instincts deep within our own genetics/evolution. Feelings of getting stronger or increased senses just maybe more in-tune with some people versus others. Perhaps it is based on how connected they are with that feral part of ourselves. We always put a big fat line in between ourselves as humans and animals, but we still relate to each other in some way or another.
WolfMontana wrote:
Fang87 wrote:
Also, keep in mind we all have predatory and or animal instincts deep within our own genetics/evolution. Feelings of getting stronger or increased senses just maybe more in-tune with some people versus others. Perhaps it is based on how connected they are with that feral part of ourselves. We always put a big fat line in between ourselves as humans and animals, but we still relate to each other in some way or another.
Well said.
rexwolf wrote:
You know, I fear that people are confusing a lack of domestication, with being a werewolf.
As suggested in "The Company of Wolves" (the one about wolves, not werewolves), people can range between completely domesticated, like our companions, the dog - say, like a Lhaso Apso; or they can be more "wild" like northern breeds. Myself, I'd equate myself to being like a wolf-dog hybrid - confused because I seem to lie halfway between the wild, and the domestication of society.
And it is quite easy to confuse heightened senses, with better awareness of them - especially, I'm afraid to say, when someone is misguiding you.
I'm not discounting your feelings - on the contrary, I'm actually validating them. But please, don't let someone tell you you are a werewolf, when in reality, it is far, far, far, far, far more likely that you are, as I am, simply less domesticated than most humans. Celebrate that, and embrace your connection with wolves in a more productive and fulfilling manner that fantasies of human-conceived, well fantasies.
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Bmann84 wrote:
Hey Bmann84 here. Sorry for the lame introduction. I just wanted to say I think the site is awesome and I have some questions I am sure are repeats from past forums that I have yet to read. I was wondering how it is you can tell you are therian or were. I was also wondering if having Native American decent in your heritage could increase the possibility of being were or therian.
Again sorry for the lame intro and awesome site. Way better than reading about vampires, lol.
WolfVanZandt wrote:
The words are synonyms. After the Therian comunity found itself (via AHWW) in 1993, they called themselves Weres since there was more than just Werewolves. They used "Were" as the general term. The term's a little too loaded for most of us (though I still use it), so we started using "THerian" which is short for "Therianthrope" which is the general term for "Lycanthrope" which, of course, means "a Werewolf". I'm a Wolf Therian which means that I'm a Werewolf.
I don't know if having Native American blood increases your chance of being Therian or not. That would be sorta hard to answer. I know Therians with and without Native American blood. It's not even certain that it's a genetic issue.
I think it is but am a long way from being able to prove it. If I'm right, Therian blood comes from Eastern Europe and Central Asia. Of course, Native Americans migrated to America from Central Asia so they may well be from the same area. But my ancestoral home is the Rhine Valley.
WolfVanZandt wrote:
"How can you tell?"
The strongest indicaton I know is that you dream as an animal or part animal. Some Therians don't, but, best I can tell, no nonTherians do.
They may have a well developed phantom body that is part or all nonHuman.
A lot of Therians have what's called "shovel Teeth". Their front teeth are shaped like straight-edged spade shovels.
As for particular physical characteristics, there are very few genetic groups that you can categorize like that. Like them, there's a "family resemblance" but it's nt something you can readily put your finger on. Different theriotypes tend to share their own "family resmblance". On the average, Werewolves tend to put on weights.They tend to have rather plain faces and very hairy bodies - but it's not usually so obvious that they're so hairy until you get close because the body hairs tend to be fine and light colored. The Foxes tend to have darker hair and be thinner (their metabolism tends to be higher as adults than the Wolves.
I've had many people ask me if the Howl pictures in my office are pictures from a family reunion. I say, with a straight face, "No, they're Werewolves," which is a lie since there are foxes, felines, and reptiles mixed in.
Bmann84 wrote:
Thank you very much for responding to my post Wolf Van Zandt. I asked my question pertaining to native americans because I recently found out from my mother that we have native american in my heritage on my mother's father's side. I did some research and have found that we are Mohican more specifically of the Stockbridge-Munsee band which is located in Bowler Wisconsin. I have been trying to research there religion and lore just out of curiousity, to see if they have any beliefs about therians.
I found what you said about foxes to be interesting. Due to the fact that I do have an extremely high metabolism and quite a bit of dark hair which is not evident in many if any other family members on either side of my family. I'm not jumping the gun here and saying I am therian, not in any respect. But I do find that to be odd.
I have had dreams I must say, especially when I was in my teens. I am now in my early twenties and still dream of animals, mostly predatory canines.
I guess I am just wondering what your take is on all of this. Personally I am not sure.
Thanks for taking time to read all this and for responding earlier. I'm trying not to be such a noob, but at the same time want to get my metaphoric feet wet.
Black Shuck wrote:
Hey Bmann84! WVZ is great at these sort of things (I however, am a newb when it comes to therian stuff, lol). I've often wondered about this too. I think it's pretty neat stuff
Good luck to you!
WolfVanZandt wrote:
Now, be careful.....I didn't say "dream of animals". Most people dream /of/ animals. What I said was "dream that they are animals" - that is, their dream self is nonhuman.
BTW, Wolf Therians usually start out life with a "burn off" metabolism like the Foxes, but the metabolism tends to gear down later in life so that fat doesn't burn off as easily. Shelton called it a "beagle physique".
Another tendancy of Therians is to have auto-immune problems (and that includes migraine headaches).
There is also a very strong tedancy toward asymmetries - one ear might be larger than the other, one eye might be a different color than the other, hair may tend to grow at a much different rate on one half of the body than the other.
I'm also wodering if there are structural differences in the legs and ankles. I haven't been able to study that yet but I want to.
Bmann84 wrote:
Yes I caught onto what you meant about being the dream animal, I of course simply stated my sentence wrong. Something I tend to do a little to frequently. I just find all of this to be really incredible, I mean as children we get to pretend and dream about being different and then as you get older you are taught that no it isn't a reality. But now you have people saying yes it truly is and here is why. It just blows my mind. I mean I have always believed any thing is possible, but I guess I am still capable of surprise.
WolfMontana wrote:
Yay!! Another one in the 'anything is possible' club!! WOOT!
WolfVanZandt wrote:
The thing is, Therianthropy isn't really all that far out (it only requires a few modifications in the brain's wiring). It just doesn't quite fit nicely into most people's view of reality.
In a way, accepting the existence of Therians requires people to accept that Humans like them are not the only ascendant beings on the planet. As long as aliens are something that people can speculate about without having to actually rub shoulders, it's easy for them to assume that "we are not alone in he universe", but when that turns into "we are not alone on this planet" things get uncomfortable.
Just look at the resistance people are putting up to accepting the very solid notion that nonHuman animals are not the mindless, souless automatons that people used to assume they were. Scientists that really should know better are doggedly denying or, ore often, ignoringthe results of comparative psychology over the last 50 years because they can't stand to think that Humans are not the only intelligent species on Earth.
Add into the mix that there are drastically different types of Humans and it's really more than many can handle.
But rationally, there's no problem with the concept of Therianism.
LycanSoul wrote:
I'm attempting to find out whether i am therian or not. I do not have a dream animal but you said it's not always the case. I'm really trying to find out and i need help.
SherlawkDragon wrote:
Well, you could try reading a few of the articles out there on the Were wide web, or look through these related topics, or ask a few questions...
though, really, I'd say you will know if you are a therian, you'll understand the definition in that it relates to how you feel.
EDIT: oh hey, this is my 100th post!
LycanSoul wrote:
i understand it but i'd hate to say i am and find out i'm wrong. I've been reading through all of them and I'm still unsure
WolfVanZandt wrote:
A problem with reading the Merck Manual of medical diagnosis is that you see all kinds of things that you have (although you probably don't have any of them). If you look hard enough for answers, you'll find them, whether it's the real answers or not. Paradoxically, the way to find out what's inside you is to quit looking and just see.
Grph! All these Weres should just take Zen and there wouldn't be all of these identity problems.....
LVX wrote:
WolfVanZandt wrote:
Grph! All these Weres should just take Zen and there wouldn't be all of these identity problems.....
LOL!!
Yeah, I actually studied Zen once in my life, along with buddhism and other eastern cultures, and yeah, meditation and mindfullness of the NOW is exactly what some (preferably this kid) may need. But so many people lack the attention span to do it, so in the end, they end up running a muck of things and making it all the more complicated, more complicated, then it really has to be.
LycanSoul wrote:
for one thing, what is zen? sorry but i do have a short attention span (ADD). and i get that all the time... what the heck do u mean by just see? ahh i'm confused and going to bed. g'night
punxnotdead wrote:
LycanSoul wrote:
for one thing, what is zen? sorry but i do have a short attention span (ADD). and i get that all the time... what the heck do u mean by just see? ahh i'm confused and going to bed. g'night
Yeah, me as well (yawn) (sorry for the irrelevant post
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WolfVanZandt wrote:
Have you ever heard, "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" That's a koan from Zen Buddhism which is a form of Buddhism that developed first in China as Chen and then in Japan as Zen.
What I meant by "just see" is that you should allow your awareness of your self to develop naturally. If you try to force your knowledge, you will "learn" things that aren't true. There are a lot of ways of observing yourself. Place yourself in situations that require you to act without thinking - natural reactions should tell you a lot about yourself. Develop a brutally honest approach. Don't believe things about yourself because you want to but only because you perceive them yourself without outside influence - but still use others (both animate and inanimate others) as mirrors into your nature - what I mean is, don't ask them but observe how they respond to you. Be active in the world and note how you respond to it. Engage in many types of activities, especially in activities in which you have not formed prior interest and altruistic activities. All of these are rich in opportunities for you to see your "true self". Do everything the hard way. Activity and effort will teach you about yourself and will also teach you about the world and strengthen you. Be aware especially of your relationships with the elements of your surroundings - people and things. Observation should be from outside processes as a dispassionate observer - control should be from inside processes as a part of the system.
LycanSoul wrote:
a very helpful post thanks
Ferian wrote:
Agh now im freaked out -.-
Most of the symptoms are postive towards me T_T
But it makes me feel special !
And a bit freaked out but yeah ! ^^
LycanSoul wrote:
they aren't symptoms like a disease, it's more general traits common to many therians
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Dusty wrote:
Ok so i am or some people think i am a werewolf my symptoms that my friend says about me is....
Eye's change more golden when angry or hurt. I normally have brown eyes.
When i go to sleep i never have any dreams and i only have 1 every like month or so not sure when. but it includes me running in a forest and killing someone but then when i wake up i have the taste of what seems like raw meat in my mouth. and find later that on the news an was animal killed in a forest park. but they could never find the attacker.
My teeth have been hurting a lot don't know why but seems like they are getting sharper.
i have read another post about something with the wolf inside unsettled or something. and with that my body has been twitching alot when im not moving i also know its not me cutting or laying on a nerve.(which sometimes makes the twitch happen in the first place.)
My skin seems to be i don't know how to put this changing sometimes from a lighter color to an almost darker skin tone. and then my skin itches when my skin is darker.
im not sure what this is but i dont feel good half the time and have been ooing on diffrent sites to see what it could be but haven't found any luck hope you all can help me.
Siverwolf wrote:
HM... that sort of sounds like you might be a werewolf or something. If it's a reoccuring thing. Not like a bad dream after watching a scary movie kind of thing. Or overative imagination, or from premature inspirations of the moment.
Whether your a wolf or some other only you'd know and that takes self examination per meditation.
Siverwolf.
rexwolf wrote:
"If we pretend to ourselves we want something bad enough, we can pretend to others it is real.
If we think we want something bad enough, we can try to make ourselves think its real.
If we want something bad enough, we can work hard to make it real."
-some guy
Siverwolf wrote:
You and Rex should get on werelist.com if you haven't already and talk with other "Therians" on Therianthropy which is akin to Lycanthropy. The site is very informative on this sort of thing.
My experiences alone may not be exactly like yours.
I don't understand what you mean, Rex. Real werewolves don't pretend that they are wolves. It's just something that happens. To us it is "real."
Siverwolf.
Ava wrote:
"I really think it's all in your head. After all we all know that being a werecat is the best. Were more lovable and fun to be around."
Dusty wrote:
LOL i just don't know things are like weird i have been looking at the calendar in my room and found out its almost a full moon. but also it seems ive been getting these dreams more frequently which is kinda scary for me. ive realized ive been getting P.O.'ed from some of the small things.
ill check the site as soon as im just about done here.
LOL werecats ive never herd of......... =/ meditation ive tried to do a couple times in the past but nothing comes to me. i just dont know its all new to me.....
rexwolf wrote:
*laughs at the absurdity of it all*
Ava wrote:
Mmmmm!! Dusty in some since we all wish were some thing we're not. It makes life a little easier for us, but there are things that do interact with us. Some times we develop traits and personality linked to some thing we really like or admire. Men just like women have PMS at certain times of the month. It's not uncommon to go threw some changes. Also some times we are bless or curse with special talents that affect us as well. Just try to remember who and what you are.
As for Were-Cats as long as Werewolves have been around cats have as well. It's just that cats prefer not to let the public know. They would rather remian hidden and watch then come out and say were here..
Dusty wrote:
k im not that bright of a person so small words would be great!!! lol so ummm that means what then ava? something to like if i love/like wolves so much i tend to think i have the ability's or etc of them when i don't? or is it i might have different ability's as i might not be a werewolf but something else instead?
im confused right now so ummmm yea..........
correct me if im wrong please.
WolfVanZandt wrote:
I suspect that Rex was laughing in the general direction of Siver since he's what we generally call a "gray-muzzle" and has been around the therian community for a loooong time.
Ava is pointing out that nothing to posted really sounds like therianthropy. The moon has little direct connection with therianthropy - everyone has cycles. Some Therians are affected by the moon cycle but most Therians have come to consider that more of a psychological affiliation with the moon than a direct connection. People who aren't Therians do the same thing and some Therians aren't affected at all.
Anger has nothing to do with it and some specific types of dreams may but "weird dreams" are not necessarily associated with therianthropy.
I'll be honest. I've known quite a few Therians in real life:
I've known some who knew naturally that they were Therian.
I've known some who didn't want to be Therian and were in denial.
I've known some Who occasionally went through periods of doubt (we all do, I guess)
I've known some who didn't know but, when they were told, they said, "Yep, that explains why I am the way I am."
But I've never run into one who asked, "Am I a Therian?"
It, naturally, makes me wonder why there are so many people on the Internet that asks the question.
There's a large forum populated with people, many of who's philosophy is that, if you want to be a Therian and you want to be so badly that you make yourself believe that you are, then that would make you a happier person and so, that's not a bad thing. (I'm not saying that that's your situation, Dusty.) Unfortunately, that doesn't make you a Therian and it won't make you happy.
Notice, the reason people stay drunk or take drugs is because they're not happy with their life the way it is so they intoxicate themselves to help them escape reality. There is absolutely no difference between that and fantasizing that you are what you are not (except that it's legal). It's emotionally unhealthy and it will not make you happier in the long run but will cause serious problems. A person is healthiest emotionally when they make the best out of what they are and they optimize they're real potential.
What I'm saying in regards to you, Dusty, is that no one on the Internet (best I can tell, there may be some that can connect over the Internet) that can tell you what you are. But if there's a question in your mind, then you do need to clear that up within yourself and start working to realize your real potential. You have plenty of that.
WolfMontana wrote:
*claps*
rexwolf wrote:
Well said Van Zandt, but I would offer a different opinion of why people express self-destructive behavior as you described.
You are quite right, it is dissatisfaction with their lives. But the fundamental basis for it, I have found, is that it is because society is, if you'll pardon the term, too civilized, and we have become far too "domesticated."
I was acquainted with this basic concept by the author of the other "Company of Wolves" in the book of that title (the one about wolves, not werewolves.) He suggested that mankind had become domesticated, that our senses had become dulled by pollution, by innudation with odors, sights, sounds; and that we had lost touch with nature, and most importantly, our wild side. I took it a step further, and suggest that people like myself, including many therian-types, are less domesticated; and certainly less well adapted to domesticated life. And those who are unaware of the reasons for their disdain of society, use sometimes inappropriate means of dealing with this - such as turning to drugs or alcohol to escape reality.
But, and no offense to you personally, I suspect that might not be the case with Dusty. I cannot tell whether he is more wild or more domesticated. All I garner for his post(s) is a need for acceptance. If this is sought because he is more wild, I can understand. But there are far better ways to seek acceptance. And as Van Zandt pointed out, all must seek their own paths, or they are doomed to always being on the wrong one - someone else's. Thus, Dusty, take Van Zandt's advice to heart: think independently in this matter. You appear to be on a path to express your difference from society. This is NOT a path that anyone can lay down before you. Rather than seeking to have someone point you in the right direction, and rather than taking someone else's path; I highly encourage you to think this one through for yourself. I encourage the same, and always will, of everyone. It can be lonely at times; but there are others out there on similar, independent paths, who can provide guidance, or can act as a support network.
Dusty wrote:
ok that i mostly understood. i see where both of you are coming at so basically follow my own path and not someone else be myself and learn from my own mistakes to make a different path then the rest.
so now i must make the decision to either be what i am or deny it for a lifetime and be unhappy with myself.
so in that case i am what i am and that's all that i am..... so it doesn't matter what i am as long as i happy with myself.
so that's what i got out of it........ to me i am no pretender and i dont lie a lot cuz i was raised to tell even people i don't like or know that much. the truth it makes a person better to tell the truth then lie horribly and then be confused with the life of lies you make.
WolfVanZandt wrote:
Actually, Rex, we have the same opinion here. I didn't go into the domestication thing but most people that know me know that I've been harping on that for years.
Dusty, aye. The complication is that people lie to themselves even when they don't realize it. That's exactly what you have to figure out. Where are you being truthful to yourself and where are you in error. That's not an easy thing to do but it's something we all have to do in life. And we have to do it, mostly, for ourselves.
Siverwolf wrote:
rexwolf wrote:
*laughs at the absurdity of it all*
What? You were laughing at me?
Sorry I get confused easy.
Siverwolf.
rexwolf wrote:
No, I was laughing at the absurdity of it all.
Dusty wrote:
Dusty wrote:
to me i am no pretender and i dont lie a lot cuz i was raised to tell even people i don't like or know that much. the truth it makes a person better to tell the truth then lie horribly and then be confused with the life of lies you make.
i don't lie a lot and a lot i mean like barely at all.
and i don't lie to myself in the least bit. at some occasions i do but that's for other purposes.
WolfVanZandt wrote:
Ah, then you're very much different from anyone else that has ever lived, Dusty.
Oh well. It remains, you're going to have to figure it all out yourself. G'luck.
And again, Rex, I agree with you enormously.
rexwolf wrote:
Agree with me enormously? Is that a come on?
Hehe...
WolfVanZandt wrote:
Heh, I think we know each other well enough to answer that question, unless there's been a whole lot of changes since I last saw you.
Let's say enormously - but not engorgedly.
rexwolf wrote:
Well, there's been a few changes on my end, that's for sure.
Sadly, one of those is a bad memory. But I think I get the drift...*sighs*
Werewolf Incomplete wrote:
Im no expert but it sounds like you could truly be a werewolf i would have to meet you myself to tell for sure, but even then i may not be able to tell.
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platzy wrote:
i was wondering how you would kno if your a werewolf, because ive been feeling very different lately, things like i feel stronger, my vision is sharper, and my hearing and smell senses are sharper.
any anwsers are appreciated
Fang87 wrote:
Wha? Well I've heard of people being "therians" (people who are metaphysically and/or spiritually werewolves) but whether your an actual one would be far-fetched. In fact, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole therian thing. For instance Native Americans believed you could carry an extra animal spirit in conjunction to your own. So, who knows, maybe you have a wolf spirit.
I doubt you'll grow fangs and fur under a full moon though. Also, feelings of getting stronger and such are natural if you are a teenager (don't know if you are - just saying). Hope this helped.
FenrirVik wrote:
True for the teenager part Fang87. Well, a while ago we had a guy who got everyone riled up and he thought he was a 'real' werewolf, as in physically shifting. But rest-assured the majority of everyone here does not believe in those.
milana wrote:
All heightened senses that you speak of can happen with humans. All that aside, there really isn't any way to "tell" if you are a werewolf, as that's a personal thing. It's different for everyone. You'll have to figure that one out on your own. Besides, that's also a pretty broad question so it's difficult to provide an adequate answer.
FenrirVik wrote:
Milana brings up a good point. It is all about you. Many people find out in different ways. I myself was practically born knowing I wasn't destined for this body. Other's it takes time to think about, and again it's even harder to look at it through an internet perspective.
platzy wrote:
alright ,thankse for the answers, much appreciated
Moonfur wrote:
I could growl since i was three though i dont know if that means anything
Moonfur wrote:
I scare the crap out of everyone
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WolfVanZandt wrote:
In itself, no, it doesn't. Everyone can growl and would if they weren't so speciecentric.
Midnight wrote:
Yeah... I growl a bit and I'm not a Were... I'm just a grouchy old so and so.
Vince, the 3rd wrote:
heightened senses doesn't necessarily mean that you're a were. check yourself again
Moonfur wrote:
no..growl so well i scared my dog into hiding in the corner.....
Vince, the 3rd wrote:
anything else other than that??
ShadyHowl wrote:
Growling is not a conduit to being were, it doesn't matter how long you've been growling for. I too have been growling since I was young, but thats mostly because I like growling. Being were is completely different. It's feeling and knowing the wolf inside, that's always been there. I didn't understand mine for years and it came out in odd and uncontrollable ways, and have felt more at peace since finding it. There was no moment of 'wow, I feel stronger today, I must be were!' if you're were, you will have always been. And discovering that won't change anything about you, it's just a moment of realisation.
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faolchú wrote:
I know, I know, this place is probably flooded with posts like this, but I have to ask for myself.
I have, on more than one occasion, been called a werewolf. I just shrugged the remarks off time after time. Yet, eventually, the idea started to creep into my mind. Eventually I started researching the topic. (Which includes lurking on this site lol) and reading about werewolves. The more I read, the more certain aspects of my life made sense. It provided explanations to feelings and events (the dreams, temper, etc.). When I would read questions like "Do you feel the wolf inside you?" I would ask myself that question and every time I get this feeling. Like a rising feeling, and excited feeling. Like I'm reading a truth. It's an amazing feeling when I "feel the wolf inside me. All in all it makes sense, it seems right, I feel like its the right thing, but at the same time logic keeps throwing me off.
I can swear this is the answer but my logic is causing doubt. I want to believe and I am starting to, but it just seems a little.... idk..... confusing?
Is this normal? Any advice? Thanks guys!
Moonfur wrote:
i feel your pain and i could growl so realisticly since i ws three scared the crap out of my mom at first but got used to it i also feel like a wolf get a wierd feeling looking at the moon hope i help i hear better too
WolfVanZandt wrote:
Yeah, it's normal.
The Werewolves I know in real life never asked the question, "Am I a Werewolf?" It was pretty obvious to them. On the other hand, they do occasionally ask, "Am I really a Werewolf?" In other words, although they fundamentally know that they're a Werewolf, they do doubt. And why wouldn't they. Their entire culture tries to tell them that Werewolves don't exist.
Doubt is normal. The professional that doesn't occasionally have the feeling, "Am I doing something wrong? Could I be doing better? Do I really excel at my profession - am I convincing myself of something that isn't?" has a problem. Worse, the clients they serve have a serious problem.
Most people come to the point where they doubt whether they've made a difference in the world. Very many people come to a point where they doubt their own existence.
Doubt is a part of life. It's when your doubt that you're a Werewolf keeps getting shot down by reality that you recognize that you actually are a Werewolf.
No amount of questions on Internet forums will replace that.
faolchú wrote:
OK. Thanks. It's really comforting to know that I'm not alone when it comes to doubting. It seems, though, that the more I think about it, the more I reflect on what I feel and have always felt, the more it seems less far fetched.
Could I possibly trouble someone on some tips/ ideas to help with coming to full realization (sorta like coming out I guess). Though I've felt it as long as I can remember, I'm just sort of actually acknowledging it now. Not denying myself because society tells me its not true.
BTW- I figure I might add in a quick "Hello I'm the new guy" line. So.... hello!
WritingWulf wrote:
WolfVanZandt wrote:
Yeah, it's normal.
The Werewolves I know in real life never asked the question, "Am I a Werewolf?" It was pretty obvious to them. On the other hand, they do occasionally ask, "Am I really a Werewolf?" In other words, although they fundamentally know that they're a Werewolf, they do doubt. And why wouldn't they. Their entire culture tries to tell them that Werewolves don't exist.
Doubt is normal. The professional that doesn't occasionally have the feeling, "Am I doing something wrong? Could I be doing better? Do I really excel at my profession - am I convincing myself of something that isn't?" has a problem. Worse, the clients they serve have a serious problem.
Most people come to the point where they doubt whether they've made a difference in the world. Very many people come to a point where they doubt their own existence.
Doubt is a part of life. It's when your doubt that you're a Werewolf keeps getting shot down by reality that you recognize that you actually are a Werewolf.
No amount of questions on Internet forums will replace that.Biiig ditto
WritingWulf wrote:
faolchú wrote:
OK. Thanks. It's really comforting to know that I'm not alone when it comes to doubting. It seems, though, that the more I think about it, the more I reflect on what I feel and have always felt, the more it seems less far fetched.
Could I possibly trouble someone on some tips/ ideas to help with coming to full realization (sorta like coming out I guess). Though I've felt it as long as I can remember, I'm just sort of actually acknowledging it now. Not denying myself because society tells me its not true.
BTW- I figure I might add in a quick "Hello I'm the new guy" line. So.... hello!Hola man! Hows it goin?
faolchú wrote:
'tis good. I'm trying to figure every thing out (as you might have seen) and trying to get myself established in this world.
WolfVanZandt wrote:
The best thing I can tell you is to just pay attention. You learn yourself by your reflection in the world - in nature, from others, and in your own mind. My best advise is to find an established group of Therians (a Howl, for instance) and get with them in real life.
Vince, the 3rd wrote:
they're right. just pay attention to it. maybe you're already coming of age
faolchú wrote:
Is there a typical age for "coming of age"? Or is it more of a "whenever you're ready thing? Mixture of both?
Moonfur wrote:
i think the coming of age is first i learned i could growl when i was three but i realized what it meant much later on and accepting it is your choice and i accepted it
faolchú wrote:
Makes sense. Basically I'm getting that this is all a personal journey with few, if any, right or wrong answers.
Ps- I've been growling at people all my life. Never really gave any thought to it. Then again I never gave any thought to the fact that all my exes referred to me as "puppy" or something like that. (This is do to the fact that I like to nuzzle up against people, have my hair petted, get rubbed.) The more I think about it the more I realize that it was there all along, I just didn't know what it was called.
WolfVanZandt wrote:
Oh, there are plenty of right answers. We just don't know them yet.
You have to keep in mind that the Therian community is only 15 years old. That's not much time to come up with many answers.
As far as characteristics of a Therian, think of your family. There is probably a "family resemblance" that marks you as a member of your family, but thinking of your entire family - aunts and uncles by blood with their children, greats and grands and all - can you think of a single characteristic shared by them all. And moreover, can you think of such a characteristic that doesn't exist in people outside your family.
People who want a surefire sign of Therianthropy wants a single characteristic shared by all Therians that other people don't have. That would be quite bizarre.
faolchú wrote:
WolfVanZandt wrote:
There is probably a "family resemblance" that marks you as a member of your family, - can you think of a single characteristic shared by them all.
Hahah A- We're all slightly crazy B- There are far too many of us.
But seriously, there are a couple traits that my blood relatives share. None of us have solid colored eyes. We all have a mixture of different colors (Yet I doubt that's hardly evidence.
Hmmm I'll have to think about this one.
WolfVanZandt wrote:
I'm not talking about traits that might be Therian. I'm trying to tell you that there's absolutely no trait shared by all Therians and there's no trait that only Therians have - just like in a genetic family.
And solid colored eyes are very rare.
FenrirVik wrote:
True, that. Therians are humans in fact (or perhaps considered a deviation?) and so we all look like humans, because that is what we are. Of course we aren't going to have the same trait. They're are some that many therians have but, still like WVZ says they're hasn't been time to study. This makes me want to, and get answers for us.
faolchú wrote:
Ohhhh *hits head* Now I see. Yeah, that's a very valid point.
I have to thank you guys. You've cleared up a lot of confusion for me. Also, I want to thank you for your hospitality. You all have been so kind to me all that. So thanks.
Vince, the 3rd wrote:
faolchú wrote:
Is there a typical age for "coming of age"? Or is it more of a "whenever you're ready thing? Mixture of both?
i think it's kinda like maturing or something like that
ShadyHowl wrote:
I sympathise, Faolchu, I went through a similar 'oh god, really?' when I started looking up therianism. Then there was the moment of 'ah..well, that explains a lot!" You don't have to completely believe that you're a werewolf. Just accept the wolf inside. I wouldn't read too much into the wanting to be petted, stroked etc side of things. They are a sign of affectionate-ness rather than therianism - not all animal traits are attributable to therianism. Sometimes we, as humans, just do things that we like. I too like to be stroked petted etc but I know its just me. We should get together some time!
haha!
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Busboy> Totally the most asked question of all time, on any forum where you're discussing therianthropy. Maybe we should do something about this clutter of "Am I a werewolf?" Topics, any ideas?
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Well, as I said on another thread just now, I vote we throw out all notions of subjective reasoning and just create a blanket 'Am I A Werewolf?' questionnaire. This may go against the ethos of therianthropy but it would save everyone a lot of time.
Suggestions for Question 1 include: "Are you 15 or under? If yes, then sorry, but you're simply too young to know if you are a therian yet, give it a couple of years!"
/cynicism
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Midnight, you are speaking my language ^_^
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xD I do love cynicism...
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I agree with *****. To say you are a therian while under that age is a little risky, but you could say you have a good idea you are one.
I do have contempt for RPers, who take it too far though.
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I know I'm therian, I turn into pond scum when the moon is full.
In all seriousness, I know I'm therian just like I know I have two thumbs. *notices he's missing a thumb*
How the hell did that happen...
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With ***** on this. Also not a therian (though I have considered the idea), but while I'll admit it's hard to know exactly who you are when you're going through the turbulence of puberty et al, and therianism isn't exactly cut and dried in terms of what makes a therian a therian, there are folks with the maturity at a young age to understand themselves.
I mean sheesh, I've heard of lots of folks who knew what they wanted to do for a career when they were under 10. And it wasn't always a case of the simplistic "I like putting bandaids on teddy bears, I'm going to be a vet!". Something hit the right chord and they put their heads down and made it happen.
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yeah, my awakening began before 14. and like Montana said, I knew what I really wanted to be since before 10 (computer stuff developer or "the guy who makes that cool computer stuff!" as I said back then). Though you are right: I know the guy who founded the alternate of Therian.Wikia, the werewolf wiki was always bugging me about becoming a werewolf, and I kept telling him you can't become one. he was like, 13. Knowing if you are a therian is an over time thing, and it takes alot of self discovery.
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Indeed. There is nothing more frustrating than n00bs who haven't even bothered to read other people's 'am I therian' posts and talk nonsense because they want gullible people to say "yes, you iz a werewolf! We iz impressed by you lul!"
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