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#376 2007-03-25 17:19:10

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Thank you.
I think we just frustrate ourselves if we refuse to acknowledge when we are hurting.  Plus, in doing that we are focusing on the pain instead of going through it.


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#377 2007-03-26 09:46:14

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Yeah,it can be a pleasurable pain,more of a pain that makes me want to run full speed till I collapse also.It makes my limbs feel light and like I can run forever,very cool.


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#378 2007-04-27 18:00:16

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I was born from a long bloodline of werewolves.


YOU STOLE FIZZY LIFTING DRINKS!!! YOU GET NOTHING!!! GOOD DAY SIR!!

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#379 2007-04-27 18:02:26

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I sort of became one, after a strange fashion. It's hard to explain, though I have already attempted to do so on another topic.


"The jaws that bite, the claws that catch..."

Love always to my mate, Aiden (seWeReWoLfRaGe)

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#380 2007-04-27 18:05:03

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lol a "strange fashion"?


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#381 2007-04-27 18:06:27

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XP You know it was under... bizarre circumstances, love.


"The jaws that bite, the claws that catch..."

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#382 2007-04-27 18:09:47

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XP yes


YOU STOLE FIZZY LIFTING DRINKS!!! YOU GET NOTHING!!! GOOD DAY SIR!!

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#383 2007-05-01 14:11:39

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I will lazily copy my answer from another forum, because I think it answers this post:

Many Therians are initially unsure as to how to personally Define their "condition".
As for myself, I always liked wolves.
I watched them on nature shows on TV, read about them, and really felt like I could relate. Later on, I got into "werewolf" films, books and folklore and started to think maybe it was all metaphorical tales of people like myself.

I never thought I would / could physically transform into an actual wolf, but rather that the attitude and instincts of the wolf were close to mine.
When I have come across wolves in the wild (very rare) they did not run away, nor did they try to attack they just stared and I felt a sort of "peace", and "familiarity", a "home" type of feeling as I was staring back into their eyes.
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This is my kind of "werewolfism".
I dont grow fur or change into a real wolf, rather I have the "spirit" and "attitude" of a Wolf.

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#384 2007-07-23 00:00:54

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I do not entirely understand a lot that is said about astral shifting, therianthropy, and such. I never really had a whole lot of that.

Trying to get back on topic, my (change?) happened after a traumatic event, which is the only time in my life that I truly lost my inhibitions. I do not want that part to ever happen again. Some bad things happened, but I did not have a problem until several days later. I do not know if this is the specific cause, but I would be willing to place a bet on it.

So far it has been six years, and I still have little control over it. Sometimes it comes instantly, while other times it takes quite awhile or does not work at all. I also tend not to have the typical wolf emotions taking over, rather I have a torrent of power that makes it easy to loose yourself in. It is a rush of adrenaline that blots out unnecessary thought, but I try to suppress loosing my focus as much as possible.

Hell though. I really do not know much about it. I have never met another, so it is hard to compare. Always helpful to look at what other people put and share back. On the other side, I have seen some strange things and learned a few interesting bits of information and some useful tricks.

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#385 2007-07-23 00:42:54

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What type of shift are you speaking of Sentinel,if you do not mind me asking that is?


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#386 2007-07-23 09:45:19

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I am sorry if I was unclear. While I am decent at English, I still have some problems with it. Physical. That reminds me: Does p-shift stand for physical or phantom? I seem to get that confused. It never tends to happen by accident. Sometimes it happens when I do not want it to, but that is only in times when I probably sub-consciously want it to occur. For instance when I am hurt desperate, or very angry.

I do not really have these phantom shifts, but it does help to change or partially change if I visualize. However, the feeling when I am close is a really strong almost itching feeling that travels in lines. Is this similar to what others feel when they are phantom shifting? And if I understand right, is phantom shifting a feeling of changing without actually doing it? Also, if so, If you phantom shift can you interact with objects as it you were changed, or is it more of a feeling?

I am somewhat shy about talking a lot about it, but suppose it is necessary if I want to get any information in return.

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#387 2007-07-23 09:52:11

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Okie dokie, I'm about to spit out a bunch of lovely information here big_smile  All this is from the Wolf Inside website so it is not my own.  I simply love the site.  http://www.playspoon.com/twi/index.html

SHIFTING- Shifting is short fo shapeshifting, although the terms transforming, morphing, changing, and turning into can also mean the same thing. There are many forms of shifting and, with it, many interpretations of what shifting is, exactly. To me, it's like the merging of the body and the soul, whether it's spiritual and/or physical.

PHENOTYPE- A person's phenotype is considered the animal form their body assumes when they shift. It can be any animal, atiger, fox, bear, dolphin, eagle, or whatever. It doesn't always pertain to wolves exclusively, wolves are just the most common (like with me). It's also not too uncommon for a person to have more than one phenotype.







SHIFTERS- A shifter, as you may have already gathered, is a person who can shapeshift. Calling a shifter a "were" also works because it can be short for werewolf or whatever phenptype it is that they have. It's that general and for that reason some shifters may prefer to be called weres. Like being called a shifter, it implies only that they have the ability to change their shape into an animal form.

There are three main types of shifters: lycanthropes, therianthropes, and polymorphs. Of course there are others, but to keep things simple I've narrowed it down to these main three...

LYCANTHROPES- also known as werewolves, are people who have the ability to shift into their wolf phenotype. They can become a full-fledged four-legged wolf, or a werewolf.  (though this also relates to a disease that makes one think they are a wolf...my little adition here, from darkwulf)







THERIANTHROPES- Therianthropy covers all animal forms, including wolves, so a lycanthrope can be considered a therianthrope. However, since lycanthropy specifically deals with wolves, therianthropes are generally thought of as people who transform themselves into other animal forms. Therianthropes include weretigers, werefoxes, werebears, etc. (tends to be more spiritual a connection and something of the soul than physical in my opinion.  P-shifting takes you beyond this to me.  p-shifting=physical...ph-shifting=phantom, from darkwulf)

POLYMORPHS- The difference between a polymorph and the other two types os shifters is that polymorphs not only have many phenotypes, but they can appear as a mixed hybrid of all their phenotypes combined into one. An example of a polymorph would be a person who could shift into a creature that is part human, tiger, and eagle, a weretiger with wings perhaps. Mmm, wouldn't that be something?...

TYPES OF SHIFTS- Okay, now what I'm going to do here is use my lycanthropy to help me explain the different forms of shifting. Just keep in mind that the following can apply to any one of the many phenotype, not just wolves.

SENSE SHIFTING- Sense Shifting can occur with any of the other shifts or it can happen all by itself. It's simply a heightening of the senses.

DREAM SHIFTING- A Dream Shift occurs when a lycanthrope becomes a wolf or werewolf in their dreams. The change is often involuntary, which means "it just happens". Lycanthropes usually have less control over what they do in this form of shifting because, unlike Lucid Dream Shifting, they are unaware that they are dreaming. A Dream Shift still happens in a normal dream, the only exception is that the dreamer can shapeshift.

LUCID DREAM SHIFTING- The difference between Lucid Dream Shifting and Dream Shifting is that with Lucid Dream Shifting the lycanthrope is aware that they are dreaming and therefor the change is usually voluntary. They know that they ae dreaming and shapeshift by true will and desire. As with regular lucid dreams, Lucid Dream Shifting experiences are just as vivid, sensual, and very realistic, the closest thing you can get to a Physical Shift.

PHYSICAL SHIFTING- Physical Shifting occurs when the lycanthrope's real and physical body actually undergoes the transformation from human to wolf, or werewolf, the state somewhere inbetween.

ASTRAL SHIFTING- An Astral Shift occurs when a lycanthrope enters a spiritual trance, travels out of body to the astral plane, and shifts there. Sometimes, it's hard to tell the difference between Lucid Dream Shifts and Astral Shifts, lucid dreams being just as real, but Astral Shifts are sometimes associated with "psychic" experinces as well, such as : dream sharing, telepathy, clairovoyance, precognition, and psychokinesis. Astral Shifts are also said to be more spiritual in nature.

MENTAL SHIFTING- Mental Shifting, as the name implies, deals with the mentality of a lycanthrope. This, of course, varies from person to person, but there seems to be a common thread. The most common is an ability that I too have experienced. It is the ability to shut out all human sapience, that constant dialogue playing in our heads, human thought. Then, our senses becomes acutely heightened. It's a lot like what the Army calls "Condition Orange", only our instincts and reactions are more lupine.

AURA SHIFTING- Aura shifting consists of shaping one's aura. It's mainly done by instinct, but it can be shaped by will. It often happens when the shifter finds themself in a dangerous environment. They'll shift, looking very much the same but their soul has changed shape, for added protection. Much like how auras have different colors, it can be shaped into an anthropomorphic shape as well.




Oh, and phantom shifting can be where you feel the change happening, but it is more like feeling a phantom of your animal body.  I have a practically constant phantom shift for my wolfy ears. You feel the body parts, but they are not techniqually there.

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#388 2007-07-23 10:35:39

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Thank you very much for this reference.

"p-shifting=physical...ph-shifting=phantom"

I think some people are simply using it incorrectly, which is why I was confused.

"SENSE SHIFTING"

I only still somewhat understand. There are heightened senses after a partial change, as well as the heightened senses from the rush of adrenaline. Some people talk about these as part of ph-shifting (if I understand it correctly). I have never had that without a partial shift, with the exception of the adrenaline benefits.

"DREAM SHIFTING"

I have not done this any more than normal.

"ASTRAL SHIFTING"

I am not sure I entirely understand the concept of an astral plane. There are pockets that mirror this world, but are not the same, and I am not sure if that is it. While there I get a somewhat dreamlike feeling of grogginess. They never move, although sometimes I have more trouble returning to them than others.

On a separate note, there is also what I refer to as "traveling" (for lack of better terminology) in dreams. There are other semi-physical location that can be traveled to repeatedly, with people inhabiting them (One man that owned a shop in one I have been to a few times somewhat explained it to me) It is more like dreaming that what I think of the normal astral, unless I am confusing terms. It is not entirely a dream though, because with some effort, I can pull small objects from there into the waking world. I have yet to manage to take most objects with me in the first place. For example, I have tried taking money on several occasions so I could buy things, but it never works. The only things I seem to be able to take (and not always) are personal objects that I am very familiar with. Those "dreams", while bound by rules, are not the same as the normal laws of reality that the "pockets" are.

I am only looking for some input and terminology. I do not understand a lot of it.

"MENTAL SHIFTING"

I do not really have a wolf persona, other than if you could describe some aspects of my personality "wolf-like", but I think that would be true for anyone. The closest is that when shifting, the experience is so intense that I have trouble maintaining focus and reasoning, rather than giving way to whim and emotion. I also think that this may be why I have trouble shifting sometimes, in that I do my best never to completely give way to emotion and instinct. As for the wolf part, as I said, it is not there.

"AURA SHIFTING"

This I understand. The catch is that anyone can do this, especially with clairvoyance, self-discipline, and self-understanding.


"phantom shifting"

One of my original questions still remains: Can you actually physically interact with anything when phantom shifting?

Also, does it actually enhance any abilities rather than allowing heightened focus?

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#389 2007-07-23 22:17:18

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Yes,when I am having a phantom shift I can be eating or drawing and it feels as if I have a muzzle or paws.Also it enhances my senses when I am in a phantom or mental shift.I have not p-shifted,and I believe it to be possible,I really think anything is possible anymore...hmm
If you do not mind me asking,how did you come to be a werewolf and be able to P-shift?If you feel that my questions are inapproiate I understand and just let me know,I will back off.My Curiousity gets the best of me and I can't help but ask.smile


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#390 2007-07-24 09:23:36

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As I have said, it is hard for me to share, but in the interest of information and learning to get some more insight I will do my best.

To be honest, I am  not entirely sure. I think that it has to do with an event that happened a few days beforehand. I truly lost my mind in anger with a traumatic and violent event. (If you want to know more, I will send you a message, I do not want to post it here.) Afterwards I was so angry that I could not stand it. I went between a angry simmering that was on the verge of exploding to a screaming rage. Thinking back now, I know why I was mad, but not to that extent. I suppose that it might have been because of holding it in all those years. I still do that now, and I think it might be why I have trouble shifting at times. After days of being enraged and not caring about most things, I went back to my simmering attitude and went to a local hospital. I walked around for hours for no reason, hating everyone I saw only because I was so angry at existence itself. Someone eventually tried to talk to me and demanded bossily to know where I should be, and being so angry I shoved them into a side room and shoved him hard. He hit his head and was out cold. I was still so angry, but finally stopped myself for a bit, realized what I was doing was wrong and pointless, and left.

Ever since I got in my first fight, I had this feeling during and afterwards. I have always asked people about it, but no one else has ever told me they felt the same thing in similar situations. It is somewhat hard to describe. The roof of my mouth and teeth tingle, along with the space right between my eyes. Depending on how intense, it spreads throughout my body. It is a combination of tingling, itching, crawling, and burning, but does not hurt, and is not overly annoying.

I am not sure if that feeling has anything to do with this, but the feeling was going on this entire time, and intensely. The longest I had had the feeling before was maybe an hour, and this had lasted for days and the strength of the other feelings paled in comparison. Somewhat regaining some sanity, I drove to a desert that was a few hours south, found a rock outcropping to lean against about duck, and transformed. It is strange. It does not hurt, or feel good, simply strange and somewhat uncomfortable. My skin split and sort of unfolded as I grew and changed. I felt a  rush of adrenaline, but not with the other sort of neurochemical induced feelings I had before, but rather the exasperated yet alert and good feeling from heavy running. I sat there for a long time, feeling a lot better only because most of my anger had subsided.

I have never really fret about it much. It was not that upsetting, and I am still myself. I do not have the sort of one time rage I felt then, or at least can keep it under control. I only want to learn more about it. A lot is confusing, so I want to learn and figure out more about it.

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#391 2007-07-24 22:00:28

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So..... you had a shift here where you -felt- as if your skin split and unfolded as you grew and changed into your animal?  -oO,-

I know what you mean here about having temper rages and all.  I've felt the same way sometimes as you discribed.




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#392 2007-07-25 09:36:55

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Siverwolf wrote:

So..... you had a shift here where you -felt- as if your skin split and unfolded as you grew and changed into your animal?  -oO,-

I know what you mean here about having temper rages and all.  I've felt the same way sometimes as you discribed.

Siverwolf.

I do not blame you in the least for not believing me. I would have believed it either without good proof.

Ignoring that, part of my point is that this was beyond a temper rage, I was out of my mind. Moreso, it was not simply a little worse than normal. I do not loose myself in emotion. That was the only time since childhood.

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#393 2007-07-26 02:23:47

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Most of the regular shifts I've run into don't wipe out your mind like that - a berserker shift does but isn't exclusively a werewolf phenomenon. Some mainstreamers berserk also.

Uncontrolled berserking indicates the need for some therapeutic attention.

I berserk but it only develops if I let it proceed past a certain point. I only do that if I want to. Past that point, I no longer have control (or conscious control, anyway).

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#394 2007-07-26 10:41:53

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Yes, it is a very dangerous level to even visit.  I would not live there if you paid me. wink


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#395 2007-07-27 00:16:09

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Oh, I quite enjoy a good berserk, but I do damage so I reserve it for situations that call for it.

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#396 2007-07-27 09:48:29

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I enjoy it also.  It's release, but still dangerous and not a state I'd like to ever remain in forever.


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#397 2007-07-30 17:39:38

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WolfVanZandt wrote:

Oh, I quite enjoy a good berserk, but I do damage so I reserve it for situations that call for it.

Yah.


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#398 2007-07-31 00:09:15

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Remain in it forever?!!? I can't imagine that a creature could sustain such intensity for long without blowing quite a few neuronal fuses.

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#399 2007-07-31 08:11:52

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Which is yet another reason why one should not keep such intensity wink


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#400 2007-08-02 12:54:21

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Not to mention blood vessels %)


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