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#126 2011-08-09 14:03:33

Iceis The Husky
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Re: P-shifters

Nah, not really. I just p-shifted, brah.


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#127 2011-08-09 18:13:55

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Re: P-shifters

What they might get out of it is a mixture of creativity (Tolkien, King, and other authors invented an entire world in detail) and attention and the knowledge that they have conned people into believing something that isn't and can't be. In other words, they get to laugh at people who believe them.

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#128 2011-08-09 20:30:31

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Re: P-shifters

Like me :3


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#129 2011-08-10 03:47:48

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Re: P-shifters

As far as I am aware about the laws of physics, technically you could still shift if you kept the same mass. You cannot lose or gain it without drawing from another source of energy (please correct me if i am wrong) but you can re-arrange it.



(Conservation of Mass-Energy:
The total energy in a closed or isolated system is constant, no matter what happens. Another law stated that the mass in an isolated system is constant. When Einstein discovered the relationship E=mc2 (in other words that mass was a manifestation of energy) the law was said to refer to the conservation of mass-energy. The total of both mass and energy is retained, although some may change forms. The ultimate example of this is a nuclear explosion, where mass transforms into energy.)

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#130 2011-08-10 17:52:27

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Re: P-shifters

Well, I guess you could draw mass from your surroundings - or draw energy and transform it into mass.

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#131 2011-08-11 00:24:51

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Re: P-shifters

But the ability to change mass to your will, or to manipulate it in any way that isn't a force or chemical/thermal change would be nigh impossible.


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#132 2011-08-11 01:44:10

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Re: P-shifters

Nothing's impossible. Back in history, people thought that it was impossible to get to the other side of the Earth without falling off, then they later figured out the Earth is round.


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#133 2011-08-11 15:07:59

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Re: P-shifters

That's because of their knowledge of the earth being flat, when it was round. In order for us to change, scientists will have to discover that mass can be changed by willpower. That'll be a few more thousand years, I think.


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#134 2011-08-11 17:37:08

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Re: P-shifters

when im frightened my sense of hearing intensifies, when im fascinated or curious my sense of smell is heightened, and when im angry my canine teeth are more pronounced and sharper.


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#135 2011-08-11 17:40:11

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Re: P-shifters

If we're able to change mass by will power, then we're able to do it now. We may not know how and we may not understand the science behind it, but it's there. Of course, it's always possible that we can't change mass by our will power.

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#136 2011-08-12 02:48:01

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Re: P-shifters

Akuo wrote:

when im frightened my sense of hearing intensifies, when im fascinated or curious my sense of smell is heightened, and when im angry my canine teeth are more pronounced and sharper.

So what you're saying is... you're 10.


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#137 2011-08-12 04:50:10

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Re: P-shifters

Well I for one believe that the brain is highly powerful, and it has great potential to do anything. Although I think that the potential may still be untapped for quite awhile.


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#138 2011-08-12 05:48:11

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Have you ever heard that fact about humans only using something like 10% of their brains? Maybe the untapped potential is in the other 90%. Anyway, most supposed p-shifters i have spoken to/read some of their stuff, seem to believe that their wolves weigh the same as them/have the same mass. So some rather large wolves then smile

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#139 2011-08-12 18:53:52

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I have heard of the 10% brain use, that's why I believe anything is possible.


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#140 2011-08-13 20:47:24

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Re: P-shifters

Just a fyi, the 10% brain thing is a myth.

Becaaause:
"Brain imaging research techniques such as PET scans (positron emission tomography) and fMRI (functional magnetic resonance imaging) clearly show that the vast majority of the brain does not lie fallow. Indeed, although certain minor functions may use only a small part of the brain at one time, any sufficiently complex set of activities or thought patterns will indeed use many parts of the brain. Just as people don't use all of their muscle groups at one time, they also don't use all of their brain at once. For any given activity, such as eating, watching television, making love, or reading Skeptical Inquirer, you may use a few specific parts of your brain. Over the course of a whole day, however, just about all of the brain is used at one time or another."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic … se-only-10
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp

Here's a simulation of a brain cycling through resting and meditation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nCBLw9Z-xU

Here's the brain mapped out as far as we understand it. All of the areas highlighted do something:
http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_07/d_07_cr/d_07_cr_tra/d_07_cr_tra_1a.gif

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#141 2011-08-13 21:42:05

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Sorry WolfMontana, I didn't explain my belief very well. What I meant to say was it's not that we use only 10% of our brain, merely that we only understand about 10% of how it functions. Here's what I mean, out of all the brain cells, only 10% are neurons; the other 90% are glial cells which encapsulate and support neurons, but whose function remains largely unknown.

In the the end, the brain is one big mystery that we still don't quite understand................yet.


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#142 2011-08-14 10:48:05

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Re: P-shifters

Cool. smile


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#143 2011-09-14 18:23:18

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Re: P-shifters

Ok, here is a story for you all:

I was initially awakened by the help of another were.

This same were is one of those that claims to have P-shifted, but never had any physical proof of it.

I have had him calling me when he was already in an M-shift. He was FIGHTING OFF his wolf half. Needless to say, it sounded like a MONSTER moreso than a wolf. He states it is because it wanted out.

It roared, growled, barked, as it tried to get out. The sounds were like something from the epitomes of HELL itself... it was not something pleasant.

When my wolf side gets angry, she is typically vicious, but she does not sound like a monster.

This same said person has claimed to have passed out and woken up in places, nude, after one of his "shifts." But then again, I am highly speculative on this one.

What I want to really know is this: is it possible for the wolf spirit inside a therian to be EVIL? And if so, what could cause it to be so.... dark.... and evil to begin with?? I thought animals could not sin, because they are not like humans with the capabilities to understand their actions, etc., like we do.

But, then how can something FEEL LIKE A WOLF to me (using what many have called my "weredar") yet at the SAME TIME feel evil like a demonic entity?? What could this all mean?

I am highly empathic, partially telepathic, and I have the ability to sense other weres as well as other high-energy spirit beings, especially demons.

But the pressure/aura I get from this thing is both wolf and evil. But at the same time I feel a neutral wolf buried under all that evil aura. So what could this mean?

Any thoughts/ideas, or maybe some help?

Mind you, this SAME PERSON who claims to have shifted, and who I sense both neutral wolf and demonic entity from has claimed to have eaten humans. Another were friend of mine, who claims to have shifted and had a "pack" (again NONE of them had proof for me, I only have their word since these individuals were online) said that a were who eats human flesh becomes a wendigo, but I am highly skeptical on that one. Mind you, he came to ME saying he was a were, and I never even mentioned it until after he said so himself.

I just do not know what to believe....


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#144 2011-09-14 23:54:01

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Re: P-shifters

@ SnowCrystal I believe the wolf is neutral that you sense, what that evil entity might be is his intentions or he himself since you said he ate humans (if that's true). However, what you should do is disconnect yourself from that person in any way possible. Just from reading that post I get a bad vibe about the guy. The wolf spirit may be tainted by him (possibly).


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#145 2011-09-15 11:55:26

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Re: P-shifters

John Anchondo wrote:

@ SnowCrystal I believe the wolf is neutral that you sense, what that evil entity might be is his intentions or he himself since you said he ate humans (if that's true). However, what you should do is disconnect yourself from that person in any way possible. Just from reading that post I get a bad vibe about the guy. The wolf spirit may be tainted by him (possibly).

It is the wolf that prompted him to do it, though. He was never one to eat another human, nor did he have any cannibalistic tendencies.

I think it has something to do with his wolf.

Like I said before, when his wolf side takes control, he sounds more like a MONSTER than a wolf. Something from the epitomes of HELL.

He believes God has forgiven him for eating those people, but he is being misled by this "wolf" in him and believing it. He said when he looked at his photo the second time he shifted (it was the photo he so claimed his friend had of him shifted), he saw NO SOUL. This... is NOT GOOD. It was like looking straight into the eyes of a demon... no heart, soul, or anything.

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#146 2011-09-15 12:58:15

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Re: P-shifters

SnowCrystal wrote:

He believes God has forgiven him for eating those people, but he is being misled by this "wolf" in him and believing it.

He's eaten people, before?

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#147 2011-09-15 13:40:21

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Re: P-shifters

lupinealchemist wrote:

He's eaten people, before?

So he claims. He has claimed to have killed and eaten people when "shifted" as this wolf.

He has also bragged that "eating people has given him a lot of power".............

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#148 2011-09-15 14:24:19

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Re: P-shifters

Forgive my skepticism, but this sounds like something that should involve authorities.

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#149 2011-09-15 15:16:16

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Re: P-shifters

lupinealchemist wrote:

Forgive my skepticism, but this sounds like something that should involve authorities.

I agree. In all honesty I would have reported him. But I do not know him in real life, or where he exactly lives. Just his cell phone number. And he told me this stuff over 2 years ago, around the time I awoke. Mind you, I met this person online.

I do not know if he was full of Bullshit or what have you, or if he was telling the truth. I have no proof to his claims. I got a new phone since then (obviously) so texts are long gone. I also do not talk to this said person anymore due to what he was telling me.

He also told me "eating human flesh is vital for a werewolf's survival" back then, and tried to convince me to shift and eat human flesh. He said I had to at the very least get an animal kill, but human would be better.... this guy is SICK in the head.... I do not know if he was in all seriousness or trying to mess with me, but the thought of it back then made my stomach churn....

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#150 2011-09-15 18:39:31

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Re: P-shifters

Hmmmm....please, if he ever goes to court, get them in touch with me so that I can provide a solid example that a Werewolf does not naturally go out of their way to harm humans. If one of us eats humans - that's simply their own personal proclivity and it needs to stop. There are good Werewolves and there are bad Werewolves - just like any other group.

In a more general frame, though, yo can have negative vibes about someone because they are actually bad, or there is something that you are really confused subconsciously about them and it's a defense, or you may react like that about someone who is empathicly neutral - a very shielded or sociopathic individual.

Also, demons aren't souless (nor are they spiritless). Shards may be souless. There are other entities that do not have souls/spirits.

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